(**Read UPDATE at the bottom)
FYI: The CSAT training is FULL OF CODEPENDENCY/victim blaming. Stephanie Carnes runs the CSAT trainings (her father Patrick Carnes made up the CSAT label and lets her run it. The same Patrick Carnes that also said parents are sexually attracted to their children 🤮) and she teaches therapists information about betrayal trauma out of her "Facing Heartbreak" workbook. This means that therapists are being told they are learning betrayal trauma, when in fact they are learning a hybrid of victim blaming models and betrayal trauma, and possibly don't even know it.... after all, the Carnes are the "experts" in the sex addiction industry. (Examples of victim blaming models : Codependency, Trauma Bonding, Stockholm Syndrome, Reactive Abuse, Learned Helplessness, Prodependency, telling victims they are acting like a victim, in victim mode, or in victim mentality, etc).
Stephanie Carnes and the CSAT community still have alot to learn about trauma & abuse. No good therapist would ever say such horrible blaming things below to a woman who has been raped, so why would they say them to a betrayed wife who's being abused? The CSAT label doesn't automatically mean a therapist is good. If someone found a good CSAT therapist then I promise it had nothing to do with their weekend CSAT training 💗
Here's some info about Stephanie Carnes & Facing Heartbreak, and things Patrick Carnes has said :
1. Stephanie Carnes said in a Helping Couples Heal podcast that only 1-2% of CSATS are using the victim blaming codependency model. But according to polls in multiple betrayal groups, MOST CSATS are STILL using victim blaming codependency models. Just because the Carnes empire tried to stop saying the word codependency AS often (they didn't completely stop using it), doesn't mean they stopped using the same treatment for codependency.
Stephanie Carnes SAYS she's pro trauma model now, but she's clearly still heavily using the victim blaming models.
2. In the workbook Facing Heartbreak (even the newly revised version, why didn't she take this crap out then?), Stephanie has a list of "Secret cloak like behaviors" that wives do that are "crazy making reactive choices" which are part of the "toxic dance". Some of those behaviors are things like :
"Snooping
Searching files
Canceling magazine subscriptions
Searching the home
Searching his phone
Installing computer Spyware (fyi, this is also called Monitoring software. They are the same thing)
Hiring a private detective
Throwing away porn stashes
Adopting a victim stance " - - (whaaaat? Victims of abuse ARE victims, wth? That's messed up)
Etc... The list goes on and on
Heaven forbid us women ever try to find the truth for ourselves in order to keep our lives and homes SAFE. I guess shame on us for choosing to engage in such "toxic crazy making reactions". 🤦♀️
On the next page in Facing Heartbreak, it lists "Dagger like behaviors". Stephanie says "A dagger brings to mind the potential for pain and damage.... emotions that are not expressed appropriately in the relatinship can 'cut' the addict....Circle all the destructive dagger-like behaviors you have used when reacting to your partners sex addiction. "
Here's a few from this list:
"Yelling
Silence
Blaming
Gaining Weight (... 😯😯)
Profanity
Telling children of partners addictions
Calling addict names
Threats of telling church leaders
Monitoring progress with anger
Interrogating
Demands for attention "
🙄
So wives, don't you dare gain weight while in trauma, that would be a "dagger like behavior" and would cut the poor addict abuser and hurt both of you. Also, don't blame him for something he really did do, that's bad. AND even though you're in such horrible pain and trauma and are so confused and gaslit you don't know up from down, DON'T EVEN THINK about having any negative emotions that could lead to yelling, profanity, or even telling your children, church leaders, or basically ANYONE, because that would be viewed as a threat by your addict husbands 😳😳😢
Again, you can always tell when advice/treatment is from the codependency or a victim blaming model by asking yourself this question: "Would they say the same thing if instead I was brutally raped by a stranger?". 💗
3. Patrick and Stefanie Carnes believe masturbation can be healthy for some sex addicts. How's that for healthy? It's like saying an alcoholic can have a few healthy glasses of wine with dinner. Here's a Google doc with screenshots: https://docs.google.com/document/d/1WUtLnsfmtJtV2F-prT4_YOKSfO_dRaejlVJ0HudDpM0/edit?usp=drivesdk
4. Someone informed me recently that IITAPs pastoral PSAP course (it's like the CSAT course, but pastoral) was full of victim blaming. The CSAT therapist Marnie Ferree who was running the betrayal trauma portion of the PSAP course (which was only 1.5 hours out of a 64 hour course 🙄 Betrayal Trauma experts in only 1.5 hours 👍🙌🤣) even told everyone in the class that the codependency/co-addict model is correct, but that the "trauma /abuse people" took over and changed the codependency /co-addict meaning (no they didn't 🙄), and thats why Stefanie Carnes changed some of the wording in her books but kept the treatment of codependency/co-addiction. She also stated that people like Dr Omar Minwalla went "too far" 🙄
This completely validated what I've been saying for years: The people in the Carnes empire are NOT trauma or abuse/violence informed, and are NOT truly teaching about betrayal trauma . They are only saying they are, in order to not be blacklisted by the growing number of women & therapists who are anti-victim blaming. Stefanie Carnes whole coming out video in 2013 where she basically said "I no longer believe in codependency, I never felt it fit. It's trauma, not codependency" (paraphrasing) was total crap, because she was only talking about the WORD, not the belief behind codependency, and it's TREATMENT. And even then, she still chose to use the word codependency in her books🤦, my guess is so she didn't piss off the outdated pro codependency crowd. I believe her "trauma awakening" was all a stunt so the Carnes empire didn't lose business and credibility. She's still actively using the victim blaming codependency model.
Feels like widespread gaslighting, eh?
What's also sad is even therapists taking their courses are convinced it's trauma informed because again, that's what they're told. You then try to convince the therapists that the information they learned about "betrayal trauma" at the CSAT certification is misinformed, and of course most of them don't listen to you since "they are the trained professionals after all, and learned from the best experts in the industry".
It's a giant mess.
** FYI, when I say Carnes empire, I mean everything that Patrick & Stefanie Carnes built. Here's a few :
- IITAP - The International Institute for Trauma and Addiction Professionals
- SASH - Society for the Advancement of Sexual Health
- CSAT - Certified Sex Addiction Therapist (and ASAT, Associate)
- CMAT - Certified Multiple Addiction Therapist
- CPTT - Certified Partner and Trauma Therapist (and APTT, Associate)
- PSAP - Pastoral Sex Addiction Professiona (like CSAT but pastoral)
- AFAR - American Foundation for Addiction Research
- GentlePath (intensive, books, publishing company, etc)
- PineGrove Gratitude program
- The Meadows addiction treatment
5. Here's alot more messed up things the Carnes have said about abuse victims, like they are "addicted to trauma", wtf?. It's nauseating....
Trauma Bonding: https://www.makemyburdenlight.com/2021/05/victim-blaming-post-6-trauma-bonded.html?m=1
More of a deep history of how "trauma bonding" was created. It was largely based on someone who turned out to be a fraud and a liar: https://www.facebook.com/1115055381/posts/10226934807292243/?app=fbl
Carnes saying parents are sexually attracted to children: https://m.facebook.com/story.php?story_fbid=pfbid02T9ZPtHDJCui472dFmw7RdSbx25JvB93ricxY8dLUNexH7NAshrEEdu7pduqZvQmZl&id=1115055381
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